华为轮值CEO徐直军：智能手表是时候反思一下了

Firing Monica was gross mistake, and obviously company has no intention to correct that mistake (if they even think it was a mistake). There is no legal mambo jumbo that prevents them doing the right thing here.

Firing two highly respected CMs was even bigger point of no return. It clearly shows no intent or desire to cooperate and build the community. If you truly want cooperation, then you don't burn down the bridges and fire people that know how to work with community and what community wants and stands for.

Since firing employees is not something that is done without CEO knowing and approving, chances that this could be fixed in any meaningful way was zero to none.

Stack Exchange is symbiosis between volunteers (users providing content and moderators) and the company (providing platform), without one there is no other. It is clear beyond any doubt that company no longer cares about volunteers and thinks they are not relevant for the future of the company. They want quantity over quality, no matter how much they say otherwise.

Writing script of the future...

I know that my stance may seem too hard. It may seem like I want way too much. But basically what I want is showing some respect to the people. This is the most basic thing. This is the line I cannot abandon, forgive or forget.

Community is Monica. We are all Monica. Any single one of us can end up being in her place (yes, not all of us are moderators, but if you can mistreat the moderator, question is what regular users can expect) Also, besides Monica, I have seen how some other valuable members of community have been mistreated.

Maybe it is a priority, but approach taken is not working well since company is literally driving away high contributors that were engaged the most (in positive way).

Depends on who is engaging...

I don't think that lack of people (new users) is actual problem on Stack Overflow.

How can we trust in fairness, when all company has done lately was treating people unfairly.

From what I have seen surveys and The Loop have mostly been asking wrong questions. I cannot envision getting really useful feedback and meaningful data from such superficial surveys.

Being more friendly and nice is worthy goal, but at the end of the day we are programmers, we are blunt, we are used to read short and straight forward instructions from compilers. We are used to communicate back the same way, without too many pleasantries...

I have already seen how good and helpful comments have been dismissed as being unwelcoming, so I don't have high hopes that this welcoming strategy will work out. It will only reduce amount of really helpful comments and suggestions and increase overall dissatisfaction.

Main issue with "unwelcoming" perception is because moderation will never feel welcoming. More on that topic can be found in my answer to Create a separate, independent Advanced SO focusing on being a knowledge library (but still part of the network)

That only confirms quantity over quality approach.

Firing Monica was a gross mistake, and obviously the company has no intention to correct that mistake (if they even think it was a mistake). There is no legal mumbo jumbo that prevents them doing the right thing here.

Firing two highly respected CMs was even bigger point of no return. It clearly shows no intent or desire to cooperate and build the community. If you truly want cooperation, then you don't burn down the bridges and fire people that know how to work with the community and what the community wants and stands for.

Since firing employees is not something that is done without the CEO knowing and approving, chances that this could be fixed in any meaningful way was zero to none.

Stack Exchange is symbiosis between volunteers (users providing content and moderation) and the company (providing the platform); without one there is not the other. It is clear beyond any doubt that the company no longer cares about volunteers and thinks they are not relevant for the future of the company. They want quantity over quality, no matter how much they say otherwise.

Writing the script of the future...

I know that my stance may seem too hard. It may seem like I want way too much. But basically I want showing some respect to the people. This is the most basic thing. This is the line I cannot abandon, forgive or forget.

Community is Monica. We are all Monica. Any single one of us can end up being in her place (yes, not all of us are moderators, but if you can mistreat the moderator, the question is what regular users can expect) Also, besides Monica, I have seen how some other valuable members of the community have been mistreated.

Maybe it is a priority, but the approach taken is not working well since the company is literally driving away high contributors that were engaged the most (in positive ways).

It depends on who is engaging...

I don't think that lack of people (new users) is an actual problem on Stack Overflow.

How can we trust in fairness, when all company has done lately was treating people unfairly?

From what I have seen, surveys and The Loop have mostly been asking the wrong questions. I cannot envision getting really useful feedback and meaningful data from such superficial surveys.

Being more friendly and nice is a worthy goal, but at the end of the day we are programmers, we are blunt, we are used to read short and straightforward instructions from compilers. We are used to communicate back the same way, without too many pleasantries...

I have already seen how good and helpful comments have been dismissed as being unwelcoming, so I don't have high hopes that this welcoming strategy will work out. It will only reduce the amount of really helpful comments and suggestions and increase overall dissatisfaction.

The main issue with the "unwelcoming" perception is because moderation will never feel welcoming. More on that topic can be found in my answer to Create a separate, independent Advanced SO focusing on being a knowledge library (but still part of the network)

That only confirms the quantity-over-quality approach.

Thanks for your efforts. You had nice chat, but unfortunately that is all you (we) got, and maybe some sand in (y)our eyes.

Firing two highly respected CMs was even bigger point of no return. It clearly shows no intent or desire to cooperate and build the community. If you truly want to cooperation, then you don't burn down the bridges and fire people that know how to work with community and what community wants and stands for.

I know that my stance may seem too hard. It may seem like I want way too much. But basically what I want is showing some respect to the people. This is the most basic thing. This is the line I cannot abandon, forgive or forget.

Thanks for your efforts. You had a nice chat, but unfortunately that is all you (we) got, and maybe some sand in (y)our eyes.

Firing two highly respected CMs was even bigger point of no return. It clearly shows no intent or desire to cooperate and build the community. If you truly want cooperation, then you don't burn down the bridges and fire people that know how to work with community and what community wants and stands for.

I know that my stance may seem too hard. It may seem like I want way too much. But basically what I want is showing some respect to the people. This is the most basic thing. This is the line I cannot abandon, forgive or forget.

My comments on presented goals:

• We have rolled out 6 core values.
  • Community is one of these.

Community is Monica. We are all Monica. Any single one of us can end up being in her place (yes, not all of us are moderators, but if you can mistreat the moderator, question is what regular users can expect) Also, besides Monica, I have seen how some other valuable members of community have been mistreated.

• Employees that put community first will be rewarded.

How? By being fired...

• We have defined top 5 strategic priorities for the year.
  • Community engagement and inclusion is an important priority.

Maybe it is a priority, but approach taken is not working well since company is literally driving away high contributors that were engaged the most (in positive way).

• Engagement is important to question quality.

Depends on who is engaging...

There is plenty of engagement from new users that post questions without reading the rules and that certainly does not have positive impact on quality. More engagements does not necessarily mean more quality.

• We have specific metrics we want to increase.
• How do we welcome more and more people.

I don't think that lack of people (new users) is actual problem on Stack Overflow.

• Commit to fairness.

How can we trust in fairness, when all company has done lately was treating people unfairly.

• How do we quantify the qualitative relationship between the users and the firm
  • Surveys.
  • The Loop.

From what I have seen surveys and The Loop have mostly been asking wrong questions. I cannot envision getting really useful feedback and meaningful data from such superficial surveys.

• Friendly versus unfriendly comments.

Being more friendly and nice is worthy goal, but at the end of the day we are programmers, we are blunt, we are used to read short and straight forward instructions from compilers. We are used to communicate back the same way, without too many pleasantries...

I have already seen how good and helpful comments have been dismissed as being unwelcoming, so I don't have high hopes that this welcoming strategy will work out. It will only reduce amount of really helpful comments and suggestions and increase overall dissatisfaction.

Main issue with "unwelcoming" perception is because moderation will never feel welcoming. More on that topic can be found in my answer to Create a separate, independent Advanced SO focusing on being a knowledge library (but still part of the network)

• We ask, "Are communities growing?"

That only confirms quantity over quality approach.

Thanks for your efforts. You had nice chat, but unfortunately that is all you (we) got, and maybe some sand in (y)our eyes.

To be honest, I never had high hopes something new (different) would happen, but I have seen stranger things happen, so...

Basically, we had two points of no return. One was Monica, and second were CMs. Both issues are not resolved. And without them being adequately resolved there is no moving forward.

Monica

I have never encountered Monica before she was fired. But in last few months I got to know who she is and what she stands for. I don't need to know exactly what happened, it does not matter. I can tell that Monica is nice person, much nicer than I am. If she is not welcomed here (and welcomed, means reinstated as moderator, without need to go through any process - because she has been wrongfully fired), then I am certainly not welcomed here either.

Firing Monica was gross mistake, and obviously company has no intention to correct that mistake (if they even think it was a mistake). There is no legal mambo jumbo that prevents them doing the right thing here.

CMs - Josh Heyer and Robert Cartaino

Firing two highly respected CMs was even bigger point of no return. It clearly shows no intent or desire to cooperate and build the community. If you truly want to cooperation, then you don't burn down the bridges and fire people that know how to work with community and what community wants and stands for.

Since firing employees is not something that is done without CEO knowing and approving, chances that this could be fixed in any meaningful way was zero to none.

Also, why would anyone that has been treated so poorly by their employer go back?

If Shog9 and Robert want to be moderators, I would be first to vote for them, but again, why would they want to do that? What would they think they could accomplish here as moderators? Why would they invest their free time helping the company that clearly doesn't respect them?

Everything else is pale in comparison

The rest are just empty words... and more sand in our eyes... basically, the only two things that would show real desire for cooperation are still broken and will never be whole again.

Stack Exchange is symbiosis between volunteers (users providing content and moderators) and the company (providing platform), without one there is no other. It is clear beyond any doubt that company no longer cares about volunteers and thinks they are not relevant for the future of the company. They want quantity over quality, no matter how much they say otherwise.

Writing script of the future...

Sorry, I cannot parse that...

This is the end

I am not going away, because nobody tells me what to do, but I am done with contributing any content here.

Thanks for your efforts. You had nice chat, but unfortunately that is all you (we) got, and maybe some sand in (y)our eyes.

To be honest, I never had high hopes something new (different) would happen, but I have seen stranger things happen, so...

Basically, we had two points of no return. One was Monica, and second were CMs. Both issues are not resolved. And without them being adequately resolved there is no moving forward.

Monica

I have never encountered Monica before she was fired. But in last few months I got to know who she is and what she stands for. I don't need to know exactly what happened, it does not matter. I can tell that Monica is nice person, much nicer than I am. If she is not welcomed here (and welcomed, means reinstated as moderator, without need to go through any process - because she has been wrongfully fired), then I am certainly not welcomed here either.

Firing Monica was gross mistake, and obviously company has no intention to correct that mistake (if they even think it was a mistake). There is no legal mambo jumbo that prevents them doing the right thing here.

CMs - Josh Heyer and Robert Cartaino

Firing two highly respected CMs was even bigger point of no return. It clearly shows no intent or desire to cooperate and build the community. If you truly want to cooperation, then you don't burn down the bridges and fire people that know how to work with community and what community wants and stands for.

Since firing employees is not something that is done without CEO knowing and approving, chances that this could be fixed in any meaningful way was zero to none.

Also, why would anyone that has been treated so poorly by their employer go back?

If Shog9 and Robert want to be moderators, I would be first to vote for them, but again, why would they want to do that? What would they think they could accomplish here as moderators? Why would they invest their free time helping the company that clearly doesn't respect them?

Everything else is pale in comparison

The rest are just empty words... and more sand in our eyes... basically, the only two things that would show real desire for cooperation are still broken and will never be whole again.

Stack Exchange is symbiosis between volunteers (users providing content and moderators) and the company (providing platform), without one there is no other. It is clear beyond any doubt that company no longer cares about volunteers and thinks they are not relevant for the future of the company. They want quantity over quality, no matter how much they say otherwise.

Writing script of the future...

Sorry, I cannot parse that...

This is the end

I am not going away, because nobody tells me what to do, but I am done with contributing any content here.

I know that my stance may seem too hard. It may seem like I want way too much. But basically what I want is showing some respect to the people. This is the most basic thing. This is the line I cannot abandon, forgive or forget.